defense secretary who's being filibustered, at the same time that there's a possibility filibuster as the cia director. i do think that ultimately, these political fights don't happen in a vacuum, all of the things that john harwood just said about the wind being at the president's back is going to end up meaning that he's going to get a deferment. >> and chuck hagel, if he's confirmed will attend a nato conference. and if not, panetta will have to step in there. >> and that's the pressure that's going to have to come to bear for the republicans, at the end of the day, this has real impact if the president doesn't have a confirmed secretary of defense. >> some of the republicans have tried to, i don't know if it's splitting hairs or if they're embarrassed by the use of the word filibuster, but they're attempting to describe this as something other than that. >> this is not a filibuster, i keep getting stopped by people out in the hall, oh, we're going to filibuster, who's going to filibuster. it's not a filibuster, all they have to do is have a 60-vote margin. >> so rachel, harry reed says it